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theboydidgood

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Pack sizes of Down Jackets

Hi guys.

Just a quick post asking a favour of all you down jacket owners...

With winter well and truly kicking in I realise I have a empty space where a nice, warm and light down jacket might fit in my pack! I'm looking at a few out there comparing prices, features and weights but I've hit upon something I find really odd. None of the manufacturers show any pics of the down jackets in their stuff sacks - Much the same as sleeping bag manufacturers also fail to do.

I've narrowed my choices to:
- Montane Anti-Freeze
- Mountain Equipment Xero
- PHD Minimus Jacket
- Alpkit Filo (heavier but cheaper option)

I wondered if those of you with cameras and down jackets might post some pics of the jackets in the stuffsacks - perhaps next to something for scale?

Thanks guys.

 
achapman

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achapman says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

no probs mate, here's my Rab Neutrino Endurance in it's stuff sack with a dvd for scale, mines a size xxl and from what i can remember it weighs bout 650-700 grams

 

Alex

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Richard Talbot

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Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

Dont have a camera to hand but the packed size of a Mountain Equipment Xero Jacket - Size Large is 20cm x 18cm

It could easily be made smaller than that if required, using mini dry bag etc.

Bear in mind that packsize of a down jacket will always be directly attributable to primarily fill-weight, followed by design and fabrics.

Your comments regarding the availability of this information have been noted and we will try to rectify going forwards.

Richard Talbot - Product Manager - Mountain Equipment
GuyHurst

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GuyHurst says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

The stuffsacks PHD provide are relatively big, because, according to the PHD website, compressing the down too much can damage it. The stuffsack that comes with the Montane Antifreeze is also pretty big and quite heavy, although it is waterproof. I generally use a much lighter Exped one.

But I find I don't really need to compress down jackets or sleeping bags down to their absolute minimum. They're easier to mould into a spare corner of you pack if they're packed a bit looser. Also, minute and tightly packed stuffsacks are a pain to use on the hill. I think weight is much more important than pack size (within reason).

moggy

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moggy says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

apparently the alpkit filo jackets pack down into their small airlock XT bag or the a5 apollo bag.

if you had one of the bags that lets the air out...the OD airstream bags most jackets etc will pack down smaller, i use one for my sleeping bag and it goes tiny.

have you considered a synthetic jacket at all?

theboydidgood

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Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

Guys, thanks for all the info - its good to talk this through and Alex thanks for the picture.

I agree pack size isn't the only factor for consideration but it is one of the final factors for me in this particular gear choice. This is mainly because I have never owned a down jacket so don't know what to expect. I do think that a lot of people are interested in pack sizes of things like sleeping bags and down jackets - particularly for lightweight enthusiasts.

Richard, thanks for noting this - pictures of gear always help in the buying decision because although you can try things on in the shop, there's something not quite right about man-handling them into their stuff sacks!

Thanks again.

 

kesh

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kesh says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

GuyHurst said:

The stuffsacks PHD provide are relatively big, because, according to the PHD website, compressing the down too much can damage it. The stuffsack that comes with the Montane Antifreeze is also pretty big and quite heavy, although it is waterproof. I generally use a much lighter Exped one.

 

my phd vest had both a loose stuff sack and a very tight stuffable pocket. so best of both worlds. don't know if this applies to the jackets. i do wonder if the very high fill power down keeps its rating with time. would be curious to know the fill power of 800 or 900 down after it's been stuffed and unstuffed for a year.

GuyHurst

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GuyHurst says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

I've had a PHD sleeping bag with 800fp down for a couple of years and, after maybe 15 trips, I can't detect any difference in the loft from when it was new. I used to use an ME Lightline bag (with 750fp down?) and it definitely deteriorated, but that was after nearly 20 years and being compressed into some really small stuffsacks. Even then it was still a very good bag, just not quite as warm as when new.

moggy

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moggy says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article/mps/uan/5669

has a review and a pic of a packed down alpkit jacket.

GrahamThompson

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Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

 Hi

One thought is the packed size you can get will depend on the stuff sack to some extent. I've been using the Pod Exchange stuff sacks that have an Event base. You can roll the top and then squash out the air through the Event fabric and get a really vacuum packed piece of kit. Ideal for reducing stuffsack size and so far I love em.

On the web you'll find them still branded as Outdoor Designs, as the new lot are going to be branded as Pod

www.outdoordesigns.co.uk/products_storage_airstream.html

GT

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moggy

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moggy says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

GT thats the stuff sacks i have....apart from mine are the ones with the old gtx base so i got them cheap from backpackinglight.....one of the best bits of gear i have bought, i use them for alot of my gear and its amazing how much space you can save.

GrahamThompson

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Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

moggy said:

GT thats the stuff sacks i have....apart from mine are the ones with the old gtx base so i got them cheap from backpackinglight.....one of the best bits of gear i have bought, i use them for alot of my gear and its amazing how much space you can save.

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Hi

The new Pod ones are really nice. Orange with blue bases. Very light fabric and your gear gets Vaccum packed in a flash. I love em.

GT

Graham Thompson Technical Editor Trail Magazine
moggy

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moggy says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

 orange you say....i think i need some more ;o)

GrahamThompson

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moggy said:

 orange you say....i think i need some more ;o)

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Oh Yes!

Orange is so much more 2009!!

GT

Graham Thompson Technical Editor Trail Magazine
Graham_the_Great

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Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

Hi All, I am not sure whether anyone has aready seen this but PHD have a Yukon Jacket in their bagains section. It is in Black and is sized Large, it also has the GoreTex outer, £169.

http://www.phdesigns.co.uk/index.php?cPath=99

The new 900 fill versions are good for -15, although this is 800 fill.

Bear Brown, adventurer & wild man.
moggy

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moggy says:

Re: Pack sizes of Down Jackets

 while in the lakes we picked up a rab microlight jacket for my other half, its very light packs down tiny and she said its very warm too.

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