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Parcarc

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Parcarc says:

GorTex or eVent ?

GorTex or eVent ? Which one works best ? Only one way to find out...FIGHT !

 
mickjaggersbestmate

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RE: GorTex or eVent ?

er.......................Gortex!

No, eVent!

No, hang on a minute, Goretex..........No,

What were they again?

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simonp820

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simonp820 says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

I was always a Goretex fan (mainly simply due to brand recognition) but my new Rab jacket uses Event and it's pretty spot on.

From what I understand, the difference in waterproofing qualities is negligible.

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Parcarc said:

GorTex or eVent ? Which one works best ? Only one way to find out...FIGHT !


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Depends which version of Gore-Tex you are considering as Gore-Tex Paclite, Gore-Tex Proshell and Gore-Tex Performance shell all have different performance features.

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cruachan66

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cruachan66 says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

 my new rab latok alpine is event and is like a sieve...it let water in that bad that my phone which was in the inside jacket had a puddle in the screen and is now f***ed...though my montane kex are event as well and are spot on...weird.

Parcarc

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Parcarc says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Gore-Tex Paclite, Gore-Tex Proshell and Gore-Tex performance shell ! How many more ways are there to keep water out and let sweat out also. I gues it's proshell V eVent then.

The Rab bergen trousers I have are excelent and at this time are out performing GT proshell. It's all to technical.

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cruachan66 said:

 my new rab latok alpine is event and is like a sieve...it let water in that bad that my phone which was in the inside jacket had a puddle in the screen and is now f***ed...though my montane kex are event as well and are spot on...weird.

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That is probably nothing to do with event fabric but everything to do with design of pockets, zips etc. Materials make very little difference how dry you are from rain, but design makes all the difference to how dry you are from rain.

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GrahamThompson

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Parcarc said:

Gore-Tex Paclite, Gore-Tex Proshell and Gore-Tex performance shell ! How many more ways are there to keep water out and let sweat out also. I gues it's proshell V eVent then.

The Rab bergen trousers I have are excelent and at this time are out performing GT proshell. It's all to technical.

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Proshell is pretty good and similar performance to event, 

Performance shell not as breathable as proshell or event.

Paclite is as breathable as proshell and event but as it has no scrim (it is a layer fabric) there is nothing to soak up the condensation so it gets very wet inside from condensationj. I hate the stuff, but it is the lightest option.

 

There's more

Gore-Tex Active Shell. As light as Paclite but is a three layer fabric and controls condensation very well and is more breathable than all of above. Problem is not very durable once sweat salts get into it ( due to construction and how thin it is), which is why some brands are adding different materials to shoulders.

Having said all that. If you to stay dry then the design of the jacket is far more important than all of above.

 

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RamblingJack says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Whats this obsession with staying dry anyway? Isnt it better to be warm & wet than dry & cold?

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hillhiker1

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hillhiker1 says:

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Absolutely! It's the cold that'll get you, not the wet. As long as you keep the wind off when you're wet you'll be fine. (ish)

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alteredego says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Is the answer perhaps that life is too short to worry.

There is some benefit in breathable "waterproof", but its not perfect.

If you've got more money than sense, by all means buy Archteryx

If you're strapped for cash Regatta Sympatex will do a job for you.

In both, despite claims about waterproofing and breathability, if you work hard you'll get wet from sweat, if it rains really hard you'll get wet from rain.

The only ones who'll gain from people sitting round, believing that one fabric has a magical superiority over another  are the manufacturers of overpriced gear.

I once went for an interview with a drinks company.    They'd just bought a factory which bottled water for supermarkets.   They stopped supplying supermarkets and brought out their own brand water.  Exactly the same stuff, but retailed for about 5 times the price as when it had been supermarket branded.  THAT is the kind of thing which "premium" branding does, and THAT is why marketing is a fancy name for conning people and exploiting them.

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easygoingguy

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easygoingguy says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

GorTex or eVent? Pretty irrelevant in my experience, as style, colour and price are far more influential factors in a purchase decision (however illogical that might be). And why is it that the more stylish the garment the more expensive it is?

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mickjaggersbestmate

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RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Has anyone seen the film 'Cross of Iron' (brilliant Sam Peckinpah war film)?

Well, a bloke in there doesn't wash and when questioned why, he says it makes him waterproof (?)

Can anyone do better than that?

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vick

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vick says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

My vote is for Gore as my new Berghaus Pro Shell jacket is much more breathable etc  than my Event jacket  

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RamblingJack

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alteredego said:

Is the answer perhaps that life is too short to worry


It may well be "if" you are well read on this very popular subject, but, if you are a newbie to this matter - then no that is not the answer.

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gizouki says:

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alteredego said:
If you're strapped for cash Regatta Sympatex will do a job for you.

 

 

I once went for an interview with a drinks company.    They'd just bought a factory which bottled water for supermarkets.   They stopped supplying supermarkets and brought out their own brand water.  Exactly the same stuff, but retailed for about 5 times the price as when it had been supermarket branded.  THAT is the kind of thing which "premium" branding does, and THAT is why marketing is a fancy name for conning people and exploiting them.

I've got a Regatta Sympatex jacket that I've had for years. I use it mainly in the summer and it's kept me dry and comfortable in all kinds of weather. It cost me £35 I think. My daughter loves her Target Dry Mac in a Sac - it's waterproof and breathable and she's had it years. I've just bought her a new one for £18 from Amazon.

I know what you mean about branding. Many many years ago when I was a student, I had a summer job in a bakery operating the bread slicer. I remember one night shift we had to take all the M&S wrappers off a batch of bread which they'd rejected (for some reason) and put it into the company's own brand wrappers. It was exactly the same bread in a different bag.

 

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hillhiker1 said:

Absolutely! It's the cold that'll get you, not the wet. As long as you keep the wind off when you're wet you'll be fine. (ish)

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Moist air transfers heat 2.5 times faster than dry air. 

So if you are wet you feel colder than if you are dry.

So yes it is cold that kills you, but if you are wet you get colder quicker.

Keeping the wind off is important too as you say.

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alteredego

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alteredego says:

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RamblingJack said:
alteredego said:

Is the answer perhaps that life is too short to worry


It may well be "if" you are well read on this very popular subject, but, if you are a newbie to this matter - then no that is not the answer.


 

I beg to disagree.  I would say to someone who has not wasted time on this particular topic, that their best course of action would be to stay that way.

I would suggest that debating the relative merits of these fabrics is at least as pointless as mediaeval philosophers debating how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.  Worse in fact, as at least they didn't have to pay the angels for the privelege. 

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GrahamThompson

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RE: GorTex or eVent ?

 A possible more important point to consider, rather than Event v Gore-Tex is where you are comparing a 2 layer fabric (Gore Paclite) and a 3 layer fabric like Gore Proshell and Event,.

The differences in how wet you get from condensation is massive when you compare these constructions. 

Interestingly Columbia have a new fabric out (read more in next issue of Trail) but it does get quite a bit of of condensation. The reason it is a 2.5 layer fabric, so it has a print on the inside, but not a proper inner layer. It is light of course and soft, but in terms of staying dry you migth be better of with any 3 layer fabric, either event, gore proshell or gore performance shell or many other 3 layers fabrics for that matter.

One other thought is there is quite a noticeable difference in how wet you get from condensation in very low priced (low breathability) fabrics and the higher priced (more breathable fabrics). However the difference between low breathability fabrics and mid-table fabrics is hard to notice and equally the difference between the mid-tabel fabrics and the most breathable fabrics is hard to notice.

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PeaksPhil

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PeaksPhil says:

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I recently bought a Paramo Alta ll.....   I love it!!!

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gizouki says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

The way I look at it is this...

40 years ago I climbed Kinder in October wearing a hand-me-down nylon anorak (which was previously my sister's) and had a plastic mac in my school duffle bag in case it rained. 

30 years ago I was walking in The Lakes and The Peak District in a plastic kagoule from Millett's, a pair of Levis and a woolly jumper.

20 years ago I was walking in Western Ireland in a Rohan jacket which was expensive, well made, windproof, amazingly breathable and leaked like a seive after about an hour of heavy rain.

Pretty much anything you can buy today (like my £25 Regatta or my daughter's £18 Mac-in-a-sack) will be better than any of the above.

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alteredego

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alteredego says:

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gizouki said:

The way I look at it is this...

40 years ago I climbed Kinder in October wearing a hand-me-down nylon anorak (which was previously my sister's) and had a plastic mac in my school duffle bag in case it rained. 

30 years ago I was walking in The Lakes and The Peak District in a plastic kagoule from Millett's, a pair of Levis and a woolly jumper.

20 years ago I was walking in Western Ireland in a Rohan jacket which was expensive, well made, windproof, amazingly breathable and leaked like a seive after about an hour of heavy rain.

Pretty much anything you can buy today (like my £25 Regatta or my daughter's £18 Mac-in-a-sack) will be better than any of the above.

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Macinasac says:

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gizouki said:

The way I look at it is this...

40 years ago I climbed Kinder in October wearing a hand-me-down nylon anorak (which was previously my sister's) and had a plastic mac in my school duffle bag in case it rained. 

30 years ago I was walking in The Lakes and The Peak District in a plastic kagoule from Millett's, a pair of Levis and a woolly jumper.

20 years ago I was walking in Western Ireland in a Rohan jacket which was expensive, well made, windproof, amazingly breathable and leaked like a seive after about an hour of heavy rain.

Pretty much anything you can buy today (like my £25 Regatta or my daughter's £18 Mac-in-a-sack) will be better than any of the above.

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Thanks Gizouki, We've been making the Target Dry Mac in a Sac since 1987 to as high a standard as we possibly can. If they weren't waterproof we wouldnt be where we are now!

We make sure to tape all the stitching seams on our packaway jackets and overtrousers, and the fabric used has been rated 5000mm Waterproof and 5000g/sm Breathable.

All this in a simple packaway that weighs less than 300g and retails for under £25!

 

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JacquelineU says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Here in Germany SimpaTex is pretty big, anyone know how it compares to Gortex?

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tartanspear says:

RE: GorTex or eVent ?

Both will keep you dry when needed, so pick any.

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GrahamThompson

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JacquelineU said:

Here in Germany SimpaTex is pretty big, anyone know how it compares to Gortex?

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it is spelt sympatex

 

Good stuff, but like all outdoor gear it is more important to look at the design than the materials

 

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