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cozy

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cozy says:

Pen y Fan car park to be cash cow for National Trust

Think i'll park at Neuadd instead then

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-15035016

 

The tourists will get punished

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Screaming Tree

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Re: Pen y Fan car park to be cash cow for National Trust

 I prefer the horseshoe from Neaudd anyway

justus

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justus says:

Re: Pen y Fan car park to be cash cow for National Trust

Money well spent. The girls and boys who keep the paths sorted do a wonderful job and if the car park fees go toward helping in the work so be it.

DaveHarris

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DaveHarris says:

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You can always become a member and park for free, at any of their car parks. I get more than my money back using the car parks over the course of a year. And they do a lot of conservation work and general upkeep of the area

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drg andy

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THe **** (and National Parks)nseem to have erratic charging policies that all centre on just how much they can make. In some areas their car parks are free, in others they are extortionate. Still plenty of other hills in Wales without big parking fees attached.

Similar threads before show a split - some seeing it as reasonable, others as extortion. Extortion is often quoted as 'what the market can bear' (as much as we can get away with??)

I have XX amount to spend, the more that goes on car parks the less that is left for local businesses, Simples.

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Stuey

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Stuey says:

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In my opinion this will just lead to dangerous parking outside of the car parks meaning vehicles will be strewn all the way up and down the grass verge until no doubt they paint double yellows all over the road.

Personally I don't mind a small fee to help with maintaining the parks but some charges  like Pen Y Pass are a joke.. 

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cozy

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cozy says:

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if the car park charges are anywhere near the same as it costs to park at ystradfellte waterfalls (dont know if its a National Trust Car Park) then i wont be parking at pen y pass, a couple of years ago we paid about £8 at ystradfellte for a few hours. No wonder they picked pen y fan as it has the largest footfall in the beacons. which i suppose creates more erosion than other parts of the beacons, although all the paths up pen y fan are in good condition, the worst eroded area is the walk down to the cwm between pen y fan and Cribyn.

I just see this charge as a money earner and nothing else.


 

wurz

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wurz says:

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cozy said:

 No wonder they picked pen y fan as it has the largest footfall in the beacons. which i suppose creates more erosion than other parts of the beacons, although all the paths up pen y fan are in good condition, the worst eroded area is the walk down to the cwm between pen y fan and Cribyn.

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The paths are in good condition precisely because they spent money to upgrade them and renovate the hillside with the mesh stuff so the grass could grow back.  The Fan has always been popular and unless continually managed would soon revert to the wide swath of mud that it was 20 years ago.

If people do not want to pay to park they can walk up from somewhere else instead of the most convenient spot.

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cozy

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cozy says:

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they did not use car park fees 20 years ago
 

terrybnd

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terrybnd says:

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 Cozy mate,

National Trust arguably do more to protect our national heritage and landscapes than any other body out there.

They certainly have more funds regionally than most national park authorities so I wouldn't knock em too much.

They're likely (or the hope is) to purchase places like the Roaches and Stanage Edge in the Peaks, for example. They're fighting your corner with the coalitions amigious planning reforms and much much more.

And perhaps they didn't charge fees 20 yrs ago - but it could be argued there was much less footfall, less cars and so on.

Best case scenario is just to become a member of the National Trust in my opinion. Saves me and the wife loads on car parks, entry fees etc through the year. 

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cozy

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cozy says:

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you can waffle cant you   just been reading your blog

I understand the "For" Argument, but then charge for every car park and get more money and do more good everywhere. not just the honey traps. No?

 

terrybnd

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terrybnd says:

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  Well, there was a compelling reason for 'that' waffle and I was encouraged to do so 

Nah, I agree to be honest. Charge one place, charge the rest.

Otherwise, the cynical amongst us will think with the honey traps they could be just after money 

Which to be fair they are. No bones about it. For what? Well, points have been made above.

In all honesty, I'm on the fence a little with this whole argument. I can see the pros and cons from all sides. However, most of my trips and visits are solo, on foot and with public transport.

The latter I have a beef with in some areas cause they blatantly rip people off - but that's privatisation for you. 

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cozy

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cozy says:

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Me Cynical  

i fully understand the reasons why and i suppose i should not be that bothered as i dont use the tourist track up and down pen y fan, much prefer the cwm gwdi, Bryn Teg and Cwm Llwch routes to high bits of the beacons. although on occassion i'll get picked up at storey arms.

but the cynic in me just cant help itself.

p.s, i think that grouse fancied you

 

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drg andy

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drg andy says:

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They could sell off a couple of their country homes.... they all seem more or less the same anyhow!

interesting  n    t   is bleeped out!

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Taffy_Tours

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"Ramblers Cymru criticised the move, saying walking should be free and accessible for everyone" it is. Not everyone owns a car, this is a parking charge and not a walking charge and walking is still free and accessible.

As for charging, fair enough I say. Most W3P (Welsh3 Peaks) participants park in that particular car park and the grass verges are always full anyway in summer/bank hols as are several other parking areas within a mile or so.

I don't know if National Parks do levy a fee against charities using their land for all the fund raising they do on a regular basis but I would certainly have sympathy if they did start going cap in hand to these charities for donations to path upkeep etc owing to the extra footfall they cause versus the minal trade they bring to the area.

With so many options like coming from the West and crossing Fan Y Big, the North at Cwm Gwdi is a crackin free (for now) alternative but vertical for the last 30 meters, or coming from south at either Pontsticill or even closer at Neuadd.  Unless you're a tourist or first time visitor the charges will not affect you (well ok, me) all that much.

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terrybnd

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terrybnd says:

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cozy said:

Me Cynical  

i fully understand the reasons why and i suppose i should not be that bothered as i dont use the tourist track up and down pen y fan, much prefer the cwm gwdi, Bryn Teg and Cwm Llwch routes to high bits of the beacons. although on occassion i'll get picked up at storey arms.

but the cynic in me just cant help itself.

p.s, i think that grouse fancied you

 

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 I know mate. Amazing eh? Came right up and under my tripod bless it. Wouldn't leave me alone LOL

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crimbo

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crimbo says:

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The man who was manning the stall explaining  the proposals told me it was for the Climbers and walkers  who use it the car park  So I asked him if Ramblers Assoc or BMC members would get discounted parking.

He said no.But I  could join the National Trust then parking would be free.

Nuff said

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