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Screaming Tree

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Rugby World Cup 2011

What team's going to win, whos' going to make the semi's. What's everyones view??

 
drg andy

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drg andy says:

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I agree with comments re F1, as a long time viewer even I'm getting fed up with it, maybe BBC is right to opt out of all live broadcasts, the highlights are enough! Live cycling isn't brilliant either!

My experience of RU is very much beer drinking loud mouths (in the Uni bar) but point taken, in the valleys I imagine it's different, less a middle-upper class social club more an actual sport!

But 6.5 weeks!!! Really??!!

 

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Oddly enough I'm not from the valleys, but the Midlands, where you come up against factory sides, miners (or ex-miners sides) farmers sides (huge hands) and even prison and HMYOI sides (really, I once played in a game where my opposite number (I played hooker) (Oo er missus) had the words ****off tattooed on his knees. As a 21 year old fresh out of college the words "help" and "mummy" came to mind. Strangely though, they never played away games.

6.5 weeks is probably a function of two things. A) like cricket, you have 3.5 weeks where the minnows are eliminated and you at best get one or two games where the result can't nbe predicted, and B) if you want the proper spectacle, with the size and speed of players and collisions these days, in the later stages you need a week between games.
 

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Smartcooky

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Smartcooky says:

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drg andy said:

My experience of RU is very much beer drinking loud mouths (in the Uni bar) but point taken, in the valleys I imagine it's different, less a middle-upper class social club more an actual sport!

But 6.5 weeks!!! Really??!!

 


 

I'm not from the valleys either.. I'm from a working class town in the North East, yet RU is my passion.  I've played it since the age of 9, my father plays it, my grandfather played it, hell even my sister plays it, yet none of us are 'beer drinking upper-middle class loudmouths.

Rugby Union is an exciting game when you know the rules.   Much more interesting than that Diet brand you have in Wigan, St Helens & the rest of the North West.

I do agree with you on the length of the tournament, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that teams can't really play more than one game a week because it is such a physical sport.

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Smartcooky said:

Rugby Union is an exciting game when you know the rules.   Much more interesting than that Diet brand you have in Wigan, St Helens & the rest of the North West.

 

You ever tried playing the "diet brand"? You might like it if you give it a try. I used to think the same of Union until I got invited to play. League winger/centre, pushed in at the deep end at prop on my very first game of Union. That was an experience I can tell you. I enjoyed it, but couldnt get to grip with the rules

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Taffy_Tours

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Taffy_Tours says:

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I reckon Boks will win this time around

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Taffy_Tours says:

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drg andy said:

I thought Rugby Union was played by gentlemen,

And, just to poke the snake with another stick... 6 and half weeks!!!


Gentlemen rugger buggers? I ain't met any and I include myself in that. 

re : 6.5 weeks yeah it has to be that long.  Football world cup is 4.5 weeks long and they don't have to thump, grapple, wrestle, or otherwise manhandle the opposition.  Sevens rugby (7 a side version with shorter times) world cup can be done in 1 week but full blown 15 man, 80 minute version requires recovery time as healing from scrum, ruck, maul and tackle impacts (not including any injuries picked up) is about 4 or 5 days.

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drg andy says:

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Would larger squads be a good idea? Then more players get to represent their country and managers would need to plan more carefully (more tactics in the pits, a bit F1-like?)

To be fair it hasn't impacted too much on us disinterested folk, I guess England-Scotland will be interesting, will there be lots of anti-English ranting from Scots (or vice versa?) or do most anger-infested Scots (and English)  keep to football?

Technically, I can claim Scot ancestry but having never lived there wouldn't do so.  I'm no Zola Budd!!!

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Screaming Tree

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 I don't see why there's an issue with the tournament running for 6.5 weeks, it builds up the anticipation going for the next game (for the players & fans). Also, it gives players time to get over any knocks that were taken in previous games

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I reckon Boks will win this time around

Not so sure about that. The Samoan team pushed them right to the end this morning & of course Wales only just lost out. It's hard to see NZ not winning to be honest

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I kind of hope so...Piri Weepu...

Of course I haven't really got a secret chocolate stash!
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darthifan says:

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 Hello!!!

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 What a great win from Wales this weekend!!! Into the semisfor the first time since 1987!!

We have been playing some great rugby these past games. Best ive seen Wales play in a long time, full of determination, skill and strength. Taking try scoring chances and superb defence. This can go all the way now its so full of confidence.

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Smartcooky

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Smartcooky says:

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darthifan said:

 This can go all the way now its so full of confidence.


 

No it can't.  If Wales don't get beat by France, they will get demolished by the Kiwis.  The Welsh haven't beat anybody of any note yet....  so calm down!

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Smartcooky said:
darthifan said:

 This can go all the way now its so full of confidence.


 

No it can't.  If Wales don't get beat by France, they will get demolished by the Kiwis.  The Welsh haven't beat anybody of any note yet....  so calm down!

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So according to you Smartcooky Ireland who where convincingly beaten by us on Saturday who won their group and beat the two time World Cup winners Australia are a team of no note then??

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Smartcooky

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Smartcooky says:

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This Ireland team is way past its sell by date.. the average age of the side is about 30.   Yeah, they beat an overrated Australian team, who England trounced before the World cup btw..  but Ireland almost got beat by the USA!

You lost to the only decent team you've been up against (South Africa).  If the French don't take you apart, the Ozzie's or the All Blacks will!

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alteredego

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Well done wales for beating a very good Irish side.

As an Englishman, I'm trying to look on the bright side.

a) at least I can watch the rest of the world cup without swearing at the telly

b) at least we won't be beaten by Wales in the Semis.

I see three possible outcomes

75% chance - ABs by 15 over Wales in the final

15% chance ABs fail to overcome by their achilles heel and Wales by 3 over wallabies (no offence to those on the otherside of Offas Dyke, but I'm sure you'll understand this is a mightmare for an England fan)

10% chance ABs by 5 over France.

Of course I'm completely wrong and it will be Aus by 10 over France.

 

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This Ireland team is way past its sell by date.. the average age of the side is about 30.   Yeah, they beat an overrated Australian team, who England trounced before the World cup btw..  but Ireland almost got beat by the USA!

You lost to the only decent team you've been up against (South Africa).  If the French don't take you apart, the Ozzie's or the All Blacks will!

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Despite being an aged side the vast majority of that Ireland would simply walk into the turgid England squad that you are obviously a fan of. Instead of mocking Wales's efforts you should look more on how awful you lot were. Victories against Argentina and Scotland were won as the other side couldnt turn pressure into points, a poor win against the rugby power that is Georgia and a win over Romania, not a great side at all these days. England had NO team spirit, no confidence, no actual plan, a manager that had no idea who his best team was and finally childish off field antics. What a team to be proud of!

As for talking about the French taking us apart, where's your proof that will happen. France were average in their win over an awful English side. France are playing with little team spirit and are more like indivuals and the relationship with their coach is poor. They lost to Tonga too. They have no consistenty in slection especially at the half backs which is crucial at this stage.

Also you call the Aussies overated and yet say they will beat us easily despite the fact that we beat the team which had beaten them well very convincingly. The All Blacks had to dig deep to beat a committed Argentinan side and do look not the same without Carter and the pressure off their fans to win the tournament must be colossal. This World Cup is very open. Wales are playing with great team spirit, playing very good rugby, young players playing like they have been internationals for years and massive mental discipline. No off field childish antics here. Wales have so much to gain and nothing to lose, unlike the other three teams

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You're in the semi final.. big deal! England have been in 3 finals and won one.  As it stands, Wales have not acheived anything.  Argentina finished 3rd last time around, now look at them.  If you go out at the weekend, England will still be 6N's champions, whilst Wales will be champion of nothing.

The way your fans are behaving you'd think Wales had already won the damn thing.  But, you're used to being second best at everything and winning nothing, so I suppose this is a step up for the principality!

Welsh rugby fans are as bad as English football fans. 

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darthifan

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Smartcooky said:

 

Welsh rugby fans are as bad as English football fans. 

No, whats worst are english rugby fans like you who cannot actually do a proper arguement. As for your 6 Nations Champions quote you were destroyed by Ireland in the Grand Slam decider. At least when Wales have a Grand Slam decider over the past few years we win it.

As for celebrating winning nothing, when England reached the final last time they played the worst 10 man style rugby i had ever seen and played in the worst final ever, a terrible advert for the beautiful game and it was considered a great success, with the team being glorifed with a BBC Team of the Year and a year later another poor six nations and Ashton was gone. 

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Smartcooky

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There does need to be a complete coaching clearout in the England ranks... Wells & Ford especially.

Oh and whatever you do, DO NOT underestimate France, they can turn over anyone.. All Blacks included.  Their World cup story is similar to that of Englands in 2007.  The coach lost  the players, but they somehow managed to get to the final, through sheer bloody mindedness(so maybe they deserved team of the year).  Wouldn't surpise me if France do the same.

If Wales win the WC, I will tip my hat and say well done.  But I think this WC belongs to the kiwis.

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darthifan

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There does need to be a complete coaching clearout in the England ranks... Wells & Ford especially.

Oh and whatever you do, DO NOT underestimate France, they can turn over anyone.. All Blacks included.  Their World cup story is similar to that of Englands in 2007.  The coach lost  the players, but they somehow managed to get to the final, through sheer bloody mindedness(so maybe they deserved team of the year).  Wouldn't surpise me if France do the same.

If Wales win the WC, I will tip my hat and say well done.  But I think this WC belongs to the kiwis.

thats more like it, proper discussion!!!

England do need a massive clear out, both of players and coaches. Thing is Johnson is using what he remembers from 2003 and his Leicester days and rugby has moved on. Time for the likes of Jonny, Tindall and Moody to quit too. England need a modern captain, not someone who always says he was one of Martin Johnson's footsoldiers in 2003.

As for France i'm not disregarding them but Wales have been playing better than them in this tournament and the teams are rather equal. Strong front rows, powerful back rows and good backline but Wales have more team spirit and that helps in a tight game.

The All Blacks should win but without Carter, they lose such a player of legendary quality its hard to fill his shoes and they have always choked since 1987. 1995 is an exception because no one was going to beat the Springboks in that final. Something tells me they might just panic against the Wallabies if its tight.......

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 Right, let's see what happens then. I reckon it'll be a France v Australia final. I think that France have played some terrible rugby but on their day they are the best in the world & their backs can break any defensive line (sorry Wales). Without Carter & with McCaw not really at full fitness I reckon the Aussies will turn the ABs over (plus they've got the pshyc advantage after beating them in the tri-nations)

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Really difficult  games to call.  But I have to say I may have heard the funniest thing ever on the radio this morning.

It used to be "You've got to feel sorry for Ricky Ponting" said by Shane Warne last winter

But now we have Robert Jones "I call on all the England fans to support Wales just as Welsh fans supported England when they were in the final"

No disrepect Rob mate, but either your tongue is further in your cheek than ever before achieved in the history of humankind, or you are smoking some serious s**t and can I have some please. I lived in Yr Wyddgrug in 2003 and the headline in the Western Mail on Sunday November 23rd , over a picture of a triumphant England team, with a redline through them was "Gloat free zone"

This is not an anti-welsh sentiment, I totally respect the welsh attitude to English rugby and welcome a bit of cross-Offa enmity, but come on Mr Jones, get a grip on reality.

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darthifan

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 Absolutely gutted!!! Losing a game in that fashion against such a rubbish team. Whilst the ref spoiled it with a red card, what was Warburton thinking of doing a spear tackle in the first place!!!!!!! Those penalty kicks missed, 4 of them, cant blame Halfpenny as that kick was a monster and just failed by inches, but Hook missed two kicks, both bread and butter and Jones's conversion hitting the posts and the awful drop goal attempts. Such a shame that the campaign is over. With 15 men we would have beaten France and should have actually should have won with 14 men. France did not do anything in the game. Im cheering for the All Blacks tomorrow against the Wallabies and i hope Wales dont lose heart as there is a playoff game to go and lets hope Shane Williams can end his illustrious career on a high.

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